Appreciate your responses and all the clarity it has added to this conversation
Generally speaking, I support experimenting, in search of increasing efficiency or qualityâhopefully both. Add to that the fact that our own builders donât have the bandwidth to tackle all the quests faster than they do, and the decision seems to be even easier to be made, IMHO.
Before we do, though, perhaps it would be good to do a âpre-mortemâ of sorts. Risk assessment of sorts. How could this go wrong, why, and how are we going to respond?
Letâs have a contingency plan in place, before we seek out to possibly disrupt the sensitive balance of thoughts and emotions with MetaGame players, which is all too fragile and easy to disturb.
How might the project go wrong?
How might the relationship with RG go wrong?
Most importantly, how might this backfire for all of us who are playing MetaGame?
How might we respond to any of the risks identified for the above three questions?
Have we ever stopped to think why we donât have more engaged and devoted builders than we do? Is it not precisely because seed mints feel unpredictable, and âhard cashâ is more favourable?
Sure, letâs do this, if we can agree it is worth the risks, and ROI seems to be high enough.
However, I hope we would not just leave it at that. This shouldnât be considered a solution, even if itâs successful. Iâd rather treat it as proof that our seed mints ought to be more regular, predictable and reliable, in order for us to have the building capacity weâd like to have.
I was in one of the first cohorts. 90% attrition, and some got passed through to RG immediately because they had skills and were immediately put on backlogged RAIDs; and the others passed away. So from my perspective, itâs not really what you think it is.
As a safeguard and as a test to satisfy some skepticism, we should put a few MG players into the cohort and so many questions will be answered for $5-$10K (we will learn a lot).
I am all for experiments and/or paying memberships dues, but letâs not kid ourselves and think it will be anything more then a spin up of what we have already seen.
If RGers want to become builders/players in MG; come on in to MG and play, and that makes sense, otherwise, letâs just donate to RG the dev company so our expectations are lower.
What does anyone here think they will deliver some magic app, if so, I am all for it.? But i hope in 30-days we are not down 5-10k and another web3 wired Chakra app that we could spin up in our sleep.
I would bet that once the final spec is written, existing MG players could hit the same mark, but i suspect your faith from the comments is more in RG at this point and engaging dan13, who is more RG than MG and may prefer to work and be compensated through RG instead of MG; Alec seems to be onboard to pass it to RG, and jonathan was in the cohort with me. He is definitely a good note-taker and understands what may be required and has good devskills (PM now?), but his interest are squarely in bizdev for RG and doing a great job at it.
Finally, why would we want to settle on the junior squad of newbies to be culled into RG on our dime; that seems weird.
If sponsorship/memberships of RG is disguised as a âRG is Buiding our Playbooksâ kind of feels like a push to remove building from MG and leaving that to RG, which is also fine, they may be better at it, but our bank account will empty out quickly i suspect.
This makes sense, but kind of a expensive donation, but will satisfy some MGers want of supporting Metafam giving the project/money to support RG. Although there are plenty of outside agencies that would spin up a UI for Playbooks, (even as a loss leader to get into our pockets), i understand the pressure to continue to support the umbrella. $5K for MCON, $1K for RG, the next metacartel getaway in CostaRica, plus the stealth vote last time where +/- 10k SEED was transferred out? Not sure what that was all about, but whatever.
I have seen this route before and if we are not careful, the account could be empty soon enough, so itâs all how we all want to see it play out.
We refuse to pay because the requirements werenât fulfilled or werenât fulfilled properly. From my experience with the people involved so far, I think their response would be âfair enoughâ and weâd either pay a smaller amount or nothing depending on what was done.
I donât see how this could backfire on us tbh. The biggest concern seems to be that its $10k but since weâre already minting >$150k/month, this seems like a drop in the ocean.
I did, updated the top post with these thoughts already.
Its probably precisely because mints are unpredictable but imo, we should make them not-unpredictable rather than start paying some people in cash & some notâŚ
Allowing some players to circumvent the XP system & receive cash ahead of minting seems like opening a can of worms.
I disagree but thatâs a topic for another discussionâŚ
Some quick thoughts on it:
Iâm of a strong opinion that rather than trying to scale MetaFam to thousands of people, we should scale through inclusion & collaboration with other service & tooling guilds (even within MetaFam, I think bigger projects like MyMeta should eventually spin out into their own DAOs). These collaborations will sometimes be done by other guilds sending us a few people & those people working through the XP system and sometimes like this.
But imo, the goal is to get shit done, not get everything done by MetaFam specifically.
Sure, they have pretty steep requirements for becoming a member.
But the thing is: if they donât actually do what we need, we donât actually need to pay.
This was already addressed multiple times.
I believe I explained well enough why I want to do this & I only thought of dan13 because others here suggested someone from MG should be more deeply involved.
The rest of your post is just further downplaying & repeating of what has already been said, I will engage with it no further. Thank you.
This was petty and unnecessary. Why even say it? I am actually trying to help and make points that should considered. Itâs clear how you feel about my participation, but maybe pull it back a little?
Interesting conversation going here. It seems that we need a Gravity Guild asap to turn potential conflicts into opportunities for maturingâŚ
Returning to the main point. Iâd support this proposal if:
The whole exercise is documented. Meaning, we can use the 5-10K budget to get a double outcome: The Playbooksâ UI + A scientifically documented process of how other Guild made it possible to complete in one month. The result will provide us the means to compare our approach objectively and identify the things we need to improve.
We answer these questions collectively through a Notion page (summoner of proposal should add the Notion page and encourage everyone to add in it)
We have at least two MetaFamâs Writers (main audience) involved in the process of feeding/reviewing/validating the built.
We have confirmed MF people actively working on the raid.
Some final notes:
I like the vision of MetaGame being built by several guilds. MG is the game of building the metaverse. By letting other guilds build MFâs vision we get things done while learning lessons on how to constantly improve.
RG has https://smartinvoice.xyz/. With it, we make sure that whatever we define will be completed, otherwise, they donât get paid. Even better, within the Smart Invoice, MG can set milestones. Milestones are reviewed and payment is unlocked. So, there wonât be any surprises in the end.
If Pete is putting the money upfront and then getting it from fundraising, then money comes from that effort and not of extracting it from a budget that has already been voted.
I agree easier submission would help. But barely anything is written to even submit⌠haha. Chicken and the egg eh? I do agree though that something on web3 site is more enticing to write than digging in Notion, discord, GitHub, docusaurus. Yea
Iâm sorry but this really does sound like unnecessarily downplaying & spinning the same things that were already addressed, and its super tiring.
No, we are not âdonatingâ money - we are getting a guarantee they will build us something & if they donât, we wonât pay.
I checked in with a top metafam builder & Iâm sorry but I trust his estimate better than you saying âits a web3 chakra app that we could spin up in our sleepâ from someone thatâs been here for something like 6 months & still hasnât actually spun up anything inside TheGame repo.
There has been many people making such claims, being loud in the voice channels only to never actually build anything & leave us hanging with issues assigned to them.
âFeels like a push to remove building from MGâ kind of a stretch, no?
I didnât notice the second part tho:
The umbrella doesnât need our support, we need to stay relevant & weâre failing. We didnât support the metacartel âgetawayâ (a great networking opportunity to stay relevant btw) & I have no idea what 10k Seed transfer youâre talking about but I would love it if you brought these kinds of concerns when you notice them rather than keeping them to yourself then using it to do what exactly? I would love to know just as much as you. The only address that ever even held 10k Seeds is the balancer pool.
Will start a thread!
There are other people who already wrote playbooks & published in other blogs or on twitter.
âŚeveryone I asked was up for submitting it to MG until a point when I asked them âdo you know how to use github?â
Could you please kindly share where this documentation lives? We have had some turnover in the playbooks raid, but we are eager to help shape the yet-to-be-built tool.
